The changing face of football media and a growing emphasis on the importance of language. St Kilda legend Nathan Burke on women's footy, helmets and hall of fame criteria. Plus: Phil Cleary takes his teachings to the country.

Show notes:

Nathan Dyer's portraits of AFL players to celebrate Africa Day

Alysia Montaño's opinion piece and video Nike Told Me to Dream Crazy, Until I Wanted a Baby (NY Times)

#MeToo: Stories from the Australian movement edited by Natalie Kon-yu, Christie Nieman, Maggie Scott & Miriam Sved


Body of Evidence

The Caster Semenya ruling and why it matters, Adam Selwood on the energy of women’s football and which West Coast father-daughters we might see playing AFLW and Patty Kinnersly from Our Watch talks about the power of footy and why doing nothing does harm.

Show notes:

Lucy: Move in May event from Stand Up Events.

Emma: Felicity Harley's article in Whimn - Dear Politicians: Stay the Hell Out of My Uterus & Rebel Wilson takes on Hollywood ratings after The Hustle was originally rated R.

Kate: Andy Bull's article in The Guardian - Cas tried to provide a clear verdict on Caster Semenya but left a tangled mess.

Nic: Victorian Women's Trust book in the works titled About Bloody Time: The Menstrual Revolution

Let's Hear it For the Good Guys

Meet Amna Karra Hassan, an absolute football powerhouse from Sydney's west who is changing the football landscape and find out what life is like for one of the AFL mascots.

Show notes:

Lucy: An episode of Against The Rules titled Ref, you suck! and photographer Hannah Rex (@ontheballmedia on Instagram)

Emma: Beyonce's Netflix special Homecoming, Still Processing podcast episode.

We Talk Beychella and From The Outer by Nicole Hayes and Alicia Sometimes

Nic: Meet Me At The Intersection by Rebecca Lim and Ambelin Kwaymullina

Alicia: Country Joe and the Fish song Good Guys/Bad Guys Cheer

Play Like A Person

Anna Scullie tells us about her life with 300 game legend Eddie Betts. The Red Wedding of trade period heats up in the AFLW and why you should just 'play like a person'.

The DeLorean Episode

Richmond President Peggy O'Neal talks about Katie Brennan, Dustin Martin and Peggy the cat. Some of football's other most influential women talk about the future. Plus: Mr P meets Mr T.

Love Letters

Love letters to AFLW, language matters and behind the scenes of the W Awards. Plus: Exclusive interviews from the AFLPA MVP Awards with Bri Davey, Maddy Prespakis, Courtney Cramey and Courtney Gum.

With Angela Pippos and Shelley Ware at the AFLW Awards

With Angela Pippos and Shelley Ware at the AFLW Awards

Cecilia Soon

A look back at season three of the AFLW season. Melbourne co-captain Elise O'Dea talks about their year and explains a link to Amelia Earhart, Shelley Ware on racism in footy and her beloved Carlton going to a grand final and Cecilia McIntosh reflects on her incredible sporting career, trolls, her next move and tells us all about Nanna Spanner.


Pay the Price

It's the first ever AFLW preliminary final week but the news was dominated by discussion about a photo of Tayla Harris. Katie Brennan joins the panel to talk social media, conferences and the Bulldogs and Sabrina Frederick Traub responds to rumours about her playing future.

Do the Maths

GWS captain Amanda Farrugia on an emotional win for her club and equity in footy. Kangaroos coach Scott Gowans delves into his quotebook and reflects on their first season. Chyloe Kurdas does the maths on who can play finals in AFLW season three and pays tribute to Erin Phillips. Plus: Complaining or criticism?

Try The Cheeseburger

Bec Goddard on her coaching aspirations and favourite proverbs and Lord Mayor Sally Capp talks Collingwood, changing cultures and accepting failure. Plus: Hall of fame criteria and a look at AFLW round six.


March 2: Whole New Ball Game

Kirby Bentley shares her footy story and her best Dennis Cometti impersonation, Shae Sloane describes how she found her way back to football and Chyloe Kurdas on what's going wrong at Collingwood. Plus: participation rates in female footy are rising but what are the growing pains?


Feb 23: Political Football

Craig Foster takes us inside the Save Hakeem campaign and reveals the passion for Australian values driving him, GWS coach Alan McConnell on conferences and creating history and Kangaroos assistant coach LJ Morecroft on pathways for women and North's dominating midfield.


Feb 16: On the Munny

Kangaroos dominate Friday night footy, the ACL club, bridesmaid rashies and the power of sport and predictions. Special guests: Izzy Huntington, Sabrina Frederick-Traub and Sarah Perkins.

Filibustering with the pregnant captain

AFLW superstar Daisy Pearce joins us to talk pregnancy, coaching and to preview season 3. Plus Chyloe Kurdas tells us which young guns to keep an eye on. We also take a trip to Kardinia Park and Arden Street, and discuss the make up of the conferences in a way only the Outer Sanctum can.


The Big Dance

Our final pod for the year called for some extra special Sanctumers. We are so grateful that award winning journalist (and pod sister) Caroline Wilson could melee with us. And we were thrilled to welcome VFLW Premiership coach Patrick Hill back for a chat. Thanks also to former Sydney Swans captain and premiership player Brett Kirk for talking to us about mindfullness and his new podcast called Mindfully which you can find on the ABC Listen App.

Thanks especially to you lot, the actual heart and soul of the Outer Sanctum. We love our community and feel like the FAMILY is growing. You give us so much joy and energy, and you teach us all so much. Thank you for the conversations we are all having in the Outer. We will continue to chat with you all via FB, Insta and Twitter while we take a break from podding.

Go Footy! xo


Bodies Talk

We talk "free" agency, gender diversity, and Colin Kaepernick. Our interview is with Dr J. R. Latham, Honorary Fellow at The University of Melbourne, and an expert on transgender health and medicine and it's social implications.